Rep. Kevin Cramer says global environmental benefits not worth “disarming our economy”

NOW? — ROWLING TAKING HIS SIDE NOW? >> I'M FERNANDO ESPUELAS. WELCOME TO "MATTER OF FACT." WHEN DONALD TRUMP TAPPED CONGRESSMAN KEVIN CRAMER TO HELP CHANGE HIS ENERGY POLICY, HE CHOSE A REPUBLICAN WHO ONCE RODE A BIG OL' BOOM, NORTH DAKOTA, NOW FACING A BUST. TRUMP: SO OBAMA IS TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THIS WITH GLOBAL WARMING. A LOT OF IT IS A HOAX. FOR MONEY. A LOT OF IT. FERNANDO: WHAT ADVICE DOES HE HAVE FOR THE PRESUMED REPUBLICAN NOMINEE. CONGRESS CRAMER JOINS ME NOW. WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM. KEVIN: THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. FERNANDO: WHY DID YOU ENDORSE DONALD TRUMP? KEVIN: A LOT OF REASONS. NORTH DAKOTA CHOSE NOT TO HAVE A PRIMARY OR CAUCUS, WHICH VIOLATES MY FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE THAT EELECTION ARE WON BY INCLUSION, NOT BY EXCLUSION SO I DID MY OWN ONLINE STRAW POLL, GATHERED SYSTEM INFORMATION AS I COULD FROM AS MANY NORTH DAKOTA REPUBLICANS AS I COULD. THE COMBINATION OF BEING INFORMED BY CONSTITUENTS, I FELT MR.

TRUMP HAD A BETTER CHANCE TOE WIN. FERNANDO: AND WHAT ARE SOME OF HIS POLICIES THAT YOU KNOW ARE GOOD FOR AMERICA? KEVIN: THE BIGGEST THING FOR ME IS HIS ABILITY TO CREATE JOBS. HE'S PROVEN THAT AS A BUSINESS PERSON, HE'S SURROUNDED HIMSELF WITH REALLY GOOD PEOPLE AND LISTENS TO THEM AND HIS ATTITUDE ABOUT AMERICA FIRST IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND BY THAT I DON'T MEAN TO THE EXCLUSI NECESSARILY OF OTHERS BUT OUR COUNTRY AND OUR COUNTRY ICE NEEDS, WHETHER IT'S TRADE, POLICY, GLOBAL POLICY AS IT RELATES TO NATIONAL DEFENSE. FERNANDO: DOES THAT MEAN YOU AGREE WITH HIS INTENTION AS AT A TIME STA — STATED OF ENDING MANY TRADE AGREEMENTS WITH FOREIGN COUNTIES? KEVIN: AT THE LEAST, I'D LIKE TO SEIBERT TRADE AGREEMENTS. — SEE BETTER TRADE AGREEMENTS. FERNANDO: NORTH DAKOTA, OF COURSE, THE HUGE ENERGY STATE. YOUR ECONOMY HAD A BIG BOO. UNFORTUNATELY NOW A BIG BUST. YOU'VE BEEN ASKED TO ADVISE TRUMP ON HIS ENERGY POLICY. KEVIN: MY ADVICE IS LET'S MAKE AMERICAN ENERGY MORE COMPETITIVE.

WE SNOW THAT SAUDI ARABIA CAN PRODUCE OIL AT $5 TO $10. THEIR ECONOMY CAN'T SUSTAIN THAT BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO DRIVE PLACES LIKE NORTH DAKOTA AND TEXAS OUT OF THE SHAL E-BIZ. RATHER THAN PUNISHING THE SAUDIS FOR THEIR SUCCESS, WE SHOULD SOME PUSHING — PUNISHING AMERICAN BUSINESSES BY ADDING LAYERS AND LAYERS OF RULES AND REGULATIONS. I WOULD LOOK AT A WAY TO UTILIZE NOT CREDITS OR SUBSIDIES BUT RAMP DEDUCTIONS FOR ANYTHING THAT'S AMERICAN MADE. SO IF YOU'RE IN THE WIND INDUSTRY AND BUILDING WIND TUR BINS OR POWERS — TOWERS OR CREATING PIPE AND DRILLING FOR OIL OR SOLAR POWER OR DRAG LINES FOR COAL MINING, IT'S AMERICAN MADE AND AMERICAN MADE ENERGY, LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD. FERNANDO: ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF HAVING THE ECONOMY CONVERT TO RENEWABLE ENERGY? KEVIN: I'VE ALWAYS SUPPORTED EARLY TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCEMENTS IN PUBLIC SECTOR INVESTMENT IN EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES.

WHAT I OPPOSE IS THESE INVESTMENTS GO ON FOREVER. FERNANDO: AND YOU SAID THAT THE E.P.A. IS A FRAUDULENT SCIENCE, TALKING ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE. WHAT'S THE PROOF OF THAT? KEVIN: I SAID IT SKEPTICAL OF THE HUMAN BEING'S CONTRIBUTION TO GLOBAL CHANGE. FERNANDO: BASED ON WHAT? KEVIN: LET'S SAY THE UNITED STATES, FOR EXAMPLE — THIS IS BASED ON SCIENTIFIC THINGS I'VE READ THAT HAVE NOT BEEN DISPUTED — IF THE UNITED STATES CEASED TO EXIST, NO ANYTHING. NO UNITED STATES, BY 2015, THE IMPACT ON GLOBAL CLIMATE WOULD BE NEGATIVE .08 DEGREES. SO THE UNITED STATES UNILATERALLY — FERNANDO: BY — BUT AFTER THE PARIS ACCORDS, IT'S NOT UNILATERAL, RIGHT? KEVIN: WE ARE PRESUMING THAT A BUNCH OF COUNTRIES WITHOUT OUR HISTORY ARE GOING TO ADHERE TO THE DEAL. FERNANDO: THE FLY IN THAT OINTMENT IS IF WE DO NOTHING, NOTHING WILL CHANGE BUT ISN'T CHANGE BY DEFINITION A SET OF INCREMENTAL SHIFTS THAT IT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE UNITED STATES AND CHINA AND EUROPE — KEVIN: LET'S CARRY THAT THOUGHT FORWARD. WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE INCREMENTAL CHANGE.

THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES GLOSHTSE A DEAL WITH CHINA THAT FROM NOW UNTIL 2030, THEY GET TO EMMITT THEIR EMISSIONS WHILE THE U.S. DECREASES ITS. CREATING AN ADVANTAGE FOR CHINA IN WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A GLOBAL PROBLEM. FERNANDO: THANK YOU SO MUCH. KEVIN: MY PLEASURE..